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Add meeting notes 2025-10-29 (#2636)
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tags: [meeting-notes]
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title: '2025-10-29'
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# conda-forge core meeting 2025-10-29
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Add new agenda items under the `Your __new__() agenda items` heading
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- [Zoom link](https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09)
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- [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://dateful.com/convert/utc?t=5pm)
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- [Previous meetings](https://conda-forge.org/community/minutes/)
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## Attendees
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| Name | Initials | GitHub ID | Affiliation |
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| ----------------------- | -------- | --------------- | --------------------------- |
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| Cheng H. Lee | CHL | chenghlee | Anaconda/cf |
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| Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra | JRG | jaimergp | Quansight/cf |
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| Mark Allen | MHA | markhallen | GitHub/Dependabot |
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| Sylvain Corlay | SC | QuantStack | |
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| Rob Aiken | RA | robaiken | Github/Dependabot |
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| Daniel Ching | DJC | carterbox | NVIDIA/cf |
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X people total
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### Standing items
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### From previous meeting(s)
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### Active votes
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### Your __new__() agenda items
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- [x] CHL/MHA/RA: GitHub/Dependabot team
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- (MHA) Have a plan to version updates using dependabot, independent of vulnerability feed
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- Queries the conda API for package versions
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- How to gather & provide CVE/vulnerability data for conda-forge packages?
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- (RA) Get information from GH Advisory database; do have support for Python security advisories
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- (RA) Unsure of how to add new ecosystem to advisory database
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- (MHA) Dependabot running within GHA runner; not feasible because of large download size
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- Could we consider tapping into the PyPI data feed and find matches in conda-forge?
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- (JRG) Add upstream PURLs into recipes; current name mapping is heuristic and subject to error
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- (JRG) complexities: not all versions available; multi-output packages; package renames (need to annotate which versions we switched)
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- (SC) Been looking into integrating conda-forge into repology.
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- XREF: https://conda-forge.org/community/minutes/2025-06-11/
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- (JRG) Need to be careful about burdening volunteer maintainers
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- (CHL) Will invite the GitHub/Dependabot team to Zulip; create GitHub issue
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- [X] JRG: `zlib` -> `zlib-ng` migration: https://github.com/conda-forge/zlib-ng-feedstock/issues/10
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- CPython 3.14 upstream ships zlibg-ng for Windows, with compatiblity mode; Pillow, various Linux distros switched to zlib-ng
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- Currently not building compat mode on c-f because it would create conflicts with existing `zlib`
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- (DJC) Continue to support non-compat mode and ask maintainers to explicitly enable zlib-ng
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- Could make compat-mode a `zlib` variant, using `blas` as a reference model
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- (CHL) Does zlib-ng support dynamic dispatch for vector instructions? If not, could break on older systems.
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- [X] DJC: Tegra support (demanded in robotics)
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- CTK 12.9 packages for Tegra sm87,sm101 devices are now live
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- Third-party packages may start building for Tegra
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- arm-variant not required for CUDA 13 (newer devices are SBSA), but we're not ready yet.
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- Once CUDA 12 is dropped, arm-variant can be retired. (No other packages are known to use `arm-variant`.)
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- [x] DJC: nvidia-virtual-packages
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- A conda virtual package plugin which detects the minimum CUDA architecture available on the system
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- Source: https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-virtual-packages
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- RFC: https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/2623
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- Motivation: Deep learning packages often have minimum supported CUDA archs which don't align with the CTK
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/cudnn-feedstock/issues/124
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/flash-attn-feedstock/blob/b6e3742a7343268a33a285c593753fd49b46d268/recipe/meta.yaml#L23
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- Motivation: Would be possible to break large binaries into smaller variants along CUDA arch
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- CHL: Apply for conda incubator
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- CHL: CUDA virtual packages should all live in the same place; though we can decide later exactly where.
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- JRG: There is a draft CEP about standard names for virtual packages
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- How to address bootstrap problem
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- conda-forge and Anaconda could just make `conda` depend on this/these plugins
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- pixi doesn't have a plug-in system, but could integrate virtual packages directly into pixi
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- [x] CHL: continued support for Windows 10?
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- [Regular security support](https://endoflife.date/windows) ended on 14-Oct-2025
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- Took a quick look for `main` and `conda-forge` download data; as of 15-Oct, 25%-ish of downloads from `conda ... Windows/*` user agents are still on Window 10. Roughly matches what [Firefox reports](https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware#operating-system-metric-overview-1)
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- Will open an issue on conda-forge.github.io to further discuss
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- [X] WV: Huge refactor of the `cache` output in rattler-build. More versatile, experiments with the staging output idea.
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### Pushed to next meeting
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### CFEPs
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